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Well it didnt take long for the Democraps to call their lawyers

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They were on CNN talking about how they are considering finding a judge and fileing suit to let the people who voted in Broward Co have another election. They were confused by the ballot and the results for Buchannen didnt fit the demographics for the county. I seen it on Rush's page and it seems pretty simple to me even has arrows pointing to the holes that correspond to the candidates. If they are too stupid to understand that then they have no business voteing for the leader of the free world.

The TV stations were interviewing people on the street who voted for Gore and they are whineing about Ralph Nader stealing votes and being the difference in Al Gore losing. I dont even want to hear a peep from these sniveling pukes. Ross Perot cost the Republicans the Presidency the last two elections and you never heard all this crying about thrid party votes stealing the election then.

All of these microscopicaly small little people need to be bitch slapped thrown back in there minivan, or 70 ft long Excursion with Firestone tires, and sent back to there cookie cutter house on the cul-de-sac with there screaming abnoxious and mouthy kids who never shut up when you are in line at the store. More proof to my theory that there is entirely tooo many morons walking around sucking up my oxygen and pushing the outer limits of Darwinian evolution. I wander what Rudy from Survivor would say to them.

I really should write a book.

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A revote would have less validity than the way it stands now with the confused voters that can't figure out the voting system. It would lose validity because everyone knows that Nader and Buchanan cannot possibly win in a new election for just Florida or an isolated county. Surely any judge would realize this.
 

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Seventy five, count 'em, 75 lawyers...That's how many legal mercenaries boarded a plane today to jet off to Florida to do God knows what for big Al...Why do I just know that this is going to get real stupid real fast...
 

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'state of emergency button' thanks EM! that kicked my ass!

Reminds me of the 'space madness' episode of ren $ stimpy.

Seriously though, until being ignorant and dependant is outlawed, we're going to have to put up with liberals and democrats. Would be nice to get a law passed against 'second hand whining' though...makes my head hurt. Hmmm...can you get a restraining order against democrats? "Excuse me sir, are you a democrat? Oh, well you need to stay a minimum of 50 feet away from me and not use words like 'lock-box', 'morality', or 'constitutional' in my presence."

Bah! I think I'll go try to find a anti-gun type at lunch to convert, fun for all, and a good cause.

peace!

p.s.-go post your opinions on my 'hack or not' topic please...thanks!
 

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The answer to the first question about whether or not there will be any 'reballoting' is NO. Never happens anywhere. Confusion or not. If someone is unhappy with ballot design it must be raised before the balloting begins.

Second, both parties grabbed the lawyers and sent them to Florida. There are probably 100 from both parties watching the recount. Each counting station will have an election judge to make the calls on things such as invalid ballots, such as votes for both candidates on one ballot, which will be discarded. The lawyers will be making those challenges and deciding whether or not to challenge. This will be coordinated by both campaigns.

Third, do not be surprised at vote totals changing. But they usually do not move around too much. A movement of 1% would be unusual. That would be as much as 60,000 votes in Florida.

Warren Christopher for the Democrats and James Baker for the Republicans means two former Sec. of State present at the site. With their platoons of lawyers poring over the ballots it may be a while before the dust clears.

Then when it settles the loosers will whine about the stolen election, just a Nixon did in 1960, to rally their supporters for 2002 and beyond. Nothing like being manipulated by politicians.

A more fun scenario is that Bush wins and one or two electors committed to him break ranks and vote independent. This would really make for interesting TV drama.
 

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ANON

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70 to research all the facts and 5 to distort and spin the facts cleverly enough to persuade a judge (probably one of Clintons appointees).

Trial lawyers or crack dealers, trial lawyers or crack dealers, trial lawyers or crack dealers? Huh, well what do you know, the scale balanced almost perfectly.

Lawyers thrive under beaurocratic tyranny and, yeah, their doing damn well these days.



[This message has been edited by Mad Minute (edited November 09, 2000).]
 

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The difference being that in 1960, the Daley machine burned the ballots before they could be recounted.

Originally posted by Bill:
Then when it settles the loosers will whine about the stolen election, just a Nixon did in 1960, to rally their supporters for 2002 and beyond. Nothing like being manipulated by politicians.


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I do not often agree with Bill but he is right this time.

Gore will have to win the recount to win the election; the courts almost never allow votes to be recast.

Unfortunately it is not out of the question that Gore could win a recount because: a lot of the absentee ballots coming from overseas will likely be coming from US Military (generally Republican) but, a lot of these ballots will be coming from Israel (Jewish vote is generally Democrat). If the number from Israel exceeds the number from Military people it is likely Gore will win. These votes will be dribbling in for another week so we may have a long wait before we know.

The possibility make me cringe but Gore could still win.
 

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Originally posted by ANON:
How many lawyers does it take to steal an election?

the same amount it takes to accept campain money from the chinese, lie to congress about waco, monica, and tell the courts that the only people intitled to own weapons under the second amendment are the national guard and state security forces.
 

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The Bush campaign site has just emailed attorneys asking how many can come to Florida to oversee a manual recount of ballots in various counties.

Looks as if Bush has a higher opinion of lawyers than most of his followers.

The problem with a 'reballot' is the Constitution calls for the election to be on the first Tuesday of November, subject to the due process right to an early vote to be counted on the first Tuesday in November. It does not allow a later vote than the first Tuesday.
 

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This normally is quoted by many people who failed to complete highschool. In context the conspirators are discussing the means by which a dictatorship can be established by wiping out the rule of law.

Originally posted by Benjamin:
"First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers!"

-Shakespeare
 

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The problem with a 'reballot' is the Constitution calls for the election to be on the first
Tuesday of November, subject to the due process right to an early vote to be counted
on the first Tuesday in November. It does not allow a later vote than the first Tuesday.

Since when does the Constitution mean anything, especially to this administration?
 

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Elections are sacred to politicians. Guns are not. They will pay more attention to how to get into power and stay there than to anything else.

In addition, it is a big club with many insiders. They all know the cut off is the first Tuesday in November. It is to their advantage to play by this rule. Both sides know it and play by it. They may play the game of rallying the supporters but that is only for the next round of elections.

Ain't gonna be no reballot. Someone may go to jail, but ain't gonna be after a reballot.
 

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And it has been implemented every time a totalitarian government has taken control. I expect it to happen here in North America, too.

I find it extremely interesting that the first thing Lenin did was imprison or kill the very intelligensia that agitated for his cause. Come to think of it, Lincoln threw all his opposition in jail without due process as well. Hmmmm....

Originally posted by Bill:
This normally is quoted by many people who failed to complete highschool. In context the conspirators are discussing the means by which a dictatorship can be established by wiping out the rule of law.



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What a CROCK! We want Bush to win ( Or more importantly, Gore to lose) by any means possible!

Why not call for removal of the "Electoral College" ? Every Governor of every State, every Senator elected was elected by Popular vote. Gore won popular vote by almost 200k last I heard.

You can bet that if things were the other way around, we would be crying the same as the Goreians are now - "Constitution" or not!

The secret of America is in the Declaration of Independence - The Constitution was compromise from the start.
 

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Thank you Bill for getting the world on this board straight on Shakespeare. He never intended to "kill all the lawyers", just the opposite.
I am a liberal Democratic type, except when it comes to financial management issues. And I must comment that I only read much hate, intolerance and lack of education from the vast majority of people on this and most all the other gun reflectors. It's too bad. I too love my guns and feel very strongly about retaining the right to own and use them. However I would assume from what I have been reading that most of the people here are NOT wealthy, and could use a hand in keeping their prescription drugs prices down, their fuel oil/gasoline expenses down, medical/car/auto/homeowners/business insurance rates down, hosipital costs down, on and on and on in what is truly better for most people. From what I can see, the republicans will do NOTHING for people who are not extremely well off, or owning their own large businesses, or who will benefit from no regulation on what they do to take advantage of those who are not in a position to say no (doctors, lawyers, INSURANCE companies, OIL companies, DRUG companies, automobile manufacturers, etc. etc.) I feel if someone earns several million dollars a year, he does not need MORE tax relief. This is the same person I hear you all complaining about because his wife drives around in a monster gas drinking Ford Excursion! With 3 spoiled kids in the back seat talking on their new little cell phones for the girls in case they ever need them. You support additional tax relief for these .com newbie millionairs??? That's what the republicans want to do. They will do nothing for the average joe out there, only TELL you "hey guys, don't worry, we are going to let you keep your guns". That's how they keep the mass man under their finger. Please, wake up to what is going on here. Or better yet, go out and read Hobbs, the father of political system definition. You might really learn something before the next time you go out and vote. An educated man is a safer man. An uneducated man is a dangerous man. I like to consider myself a safe man with a gun.
I also consider myself very patriotic, will always stand up for my country, and will fight anyone who attempts to break down our constitution and the rights it affords us.
I really resent all the rhetoric herein about how a Democrat is a communist and one step away from being executed by the republican correctors. Just remember it was a Democrat, FDR, who revived the US economy from the depths of depression brought on by the failed supply side, top down economic experiment of the prior republican administration. It was his administration that gave the country the Boulder Dam, Social security, the interstate roadway system and all the jobs that went along with these projects for us, the average guys out there. Guys like Dick Cheney, with their multi-multi millions of dollars in stock options from the oil companies, are not motivated to get the oil market down anytime soon to give us a hand. He is not my type of man to support.
To each his own. But I like to look past the stupid gun issue to decide what is best for me or the country at large.
All I ask, is be more civilized in how you speak about people who don't feel the same way you do. Many of you sound like the extremists from 1930's Germany who didn't like the way things were going and had to lash out at someone. Those extreme right wing zealots lead a country to destruction.
 

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If you want a socialist New-Deal Great Society, get on a raft and paddle to the gun-boats baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally posted by Radio-op:

I am a liberal Democratic type, I only read much hate, intolerance and lack of education from the vast majority of people -- the republicans will do NOTHING for people who are not extremely well off, -- 3 spoiled kids in the back seat talking on their new little cell phones for the girls in case they ever need them. --They will do nothing for the average joe out there, -- go out and read Hobbs, the father of political system definition.--
I really resent all the rhetoric herein about how a Democrat is a communist -- Just remember it was a Democrat, FDR, who revived the US economy from the depths of depression brought on by the failed supply side, top down economic experiment of the prior republican administration. It was his administration that gave the country the Boulder Dam, Social security, the interstate roadway system and all the jobs that went along with these projects for us, the average guys out there. Guys like Dick Cheney, with their multi-multi millions of dollars in stock options from the oil companies, are not motivated to get the oil market down anytime soon to give us a hand. He is not my type of man to support.
To each his own. But I like to look past the stupid gun issue to decide what is best for me or the country at large.
All I ask, is be more civilized in how you speak about people who don't feel the same way you do. Many of you sound like the extremists from 1930's Germany who didn't like the way things were going and had to lash out at someone. Those extreme right wing zealots lead a country to destruction.
 

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Radio: I am not a liberal Democrat by any means. However, the posts on this board about socialists etc. are well within the rights of free speech afforded each of us. It is only by the free exchange of ideas that we reach the consensus that keeps this country afloat. There is, of course, plenty of room for everyone on this board.

Some are more ariculate than others. Some are more idealistic than others. There are a number who cannot communicate other than in swearing. Ted keeps a good eye on that and some have been ejected.

But this place where we congregate is a great place for FAL information, ideas and prices. We all share that passion, over politics and polimics.

Welcome aboard, hang on to your hat and enjoy the give and take.
 

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73's to ya Radio-op. That said - your dead wrong about most everything else you posted!

Lawyers ARE a problem - not just a symptom. our country has more lawyers per capita than doctors - and the count is growing! Do you really think that these folks are going to say - well, there's no need for my services, so I think I'll enroll in trade school? Just watch how fast litigation can be manufactured. You need to realize that we live in a land full of laws and devoid of justice. Try exercising your right to defend yourself ANYTIME in open court to learn what the phrase " Protected Market" really means!

Secondly, people paying for insurance, drugs, etc. certainly want to pay less - but the people who own stock in insurance, drug, etc. companies demand higher returns! It always gets me when "Seniors" complain about "high drug prices" in one breath, then complain about "low returns" on their investments - it can't be both ways - most of the seniors that I have met want all they can get for as little as they can pay - screw the kids, screw the "Future" - I WANT MINE! Just TRY and talk about "capping" social security benefits and see how many "oldies" offer to beat your ass!

" An educated man is a safer man. An uneducated man is a dangerous man. I
like to consider myself a safe man with a gun. " you said - that's is pure BS! Knowledge is power - and power is force. A satisfied man is a "safe" man to the "status quo" - but a sheep to the slaughter. The founding fathers were educated - ask the Brits if they were "safe" men. And - wasn't the "Unibomber" an educated man? What exactly are you trying to say?


"I also consider myself very patriotic, will always stand up for my country, and will fight anyone who attempts to break down our constitution and the rights it affords us."

Do you really believe this? Then why idolize FDR - who did more to destroy the rights guaranteed by the constitution than any one else since Lincoln? Just like most people - on this board as well as off - I think you like the sound of your own voice a little too much!

BTW - this is 9 Nov 00 - Kristalnacht - the night the Nazi party ran amock against the Jews. They thought they were doing the right thing. So did the Khmer Rouge as they killed 6 million of their own people. So did the United States when we killed indians by the millions. So did the Biblical Isaelis when they wanted some real estate. Were the Nazis wrong? Were they especially evil? Whoever wins the war writes the history. I'm certain that the Democratic party et al. think that they are doing the right thing.

I've often heard it said that " A young man who is not a liberal has no heart - but an old man who is not a conservative has no brain."

I hope that you are a youg man!

Mike
 
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