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The USPS Strikes Again....

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Hold on now, you are making a lot of assumptions here FOD, I never said, or suggested the current Postmaster General was the right man for the job. Really, he is just another politically appointed governmental bureaucrat as far as I am concerned. The problem with such government appointees is that they have no real vested interest in their organizations. As I previously stated, I am opposed to such governmental bureaucrat appointments. Again, my principal point is that the hard truth is that the level of management required for the postal service is just not a core competency of our federal government.

You are entitled to your opinion here and the theories which you are promoting. We seem to be aligned on some of the core points, but not so much on others. However just to be clear I am not being emotional with respect to this topic and would suggest that you may want to consider taking a bit of your own advice. I am however speaking with some experience as I do understand what it takes to run an effective organization and the elements which it takes to facilitate that task. I am confident there is massive waste of both financial and physical resources within the current USPS model. You have to wonder what their cost of service might actually be if the the business had an effective strategy and was competently managed? Now I will tell you what I do think is foolish; treating the USPS as a public utility. I have had the privilege of working with many Fortune 500 and Fortune 250 organizations for over 40 years. Specifically, more than 350 at last count. Many of those companies are leaders in their business space who built their organizations on innovation, listening to their employees & clients, adopting an environment of constant business improvement evolution, offering a fair value exchange, providing exceptional service and investing in a quality workforce. Interestingly, not a single one of the those organizations is, or has ever been a public utility. In fact public utilities and municipalities historically are notorious for lack of innovation, being adverse to change and failure to adopt technology to improve their service or client experience. The condition of the outdated water infrastructure in most American towns and cities is evidence of that data point. However, those utilities are exceptionally good at utilizing late fee charges and generating creative service fees as those are the only revenue generation levers they have available to pull. Yes, I have worked with many of those as well.

In summary I agree the current model is flawed, not sustainable and needs to change. Also, I do not feel the USPS should be thought of as an entitlement, rather it is a critical service that should be seriously run as such. It will take serious changes and significantly better oversight to facilitate improvement. The question here really is this: 'Who' has the appetite and expertise to best facilitate that type of dramatic change; the public or private sector?"
 

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Hold on now, you are making a lot of assumptions here FOD, I never said, or suggested the current Postmaster General was the right man for the job. Really, he is just another politically appointed governmental bureaucrat as far as I am concerned. The problem with such government appointees is that they have no real vested interest in their organizations. As I previously stated, I am opposed to such governmental bureaucrat appointments. Again, my principal point is that the hard truth is that the level of management required for the postal service is just not a core competency of our federal government.

You are entitled to your opinion here and the theories which you are promoting. We seem to be aligned on some of the core points, but not so much on others. However just to be clear I am not being emotional with respect to this topic and would suggest that you may want to consider taking a bit of your own advice. I am however speaking with some experience as I do understand what it takes to run an effective organization and the elements which it takes to facilitate that task. I am confident there is massive waste of both financial and physical resources within the current USPS model. You have to wonder what their cost of service might actually be if the the business had an effective strategy and was competently managed? Now I will tell you what I do think is foolish; treating the USPS as a public utility. I have had the privilege of working with many Fortune 500 and Fortune 250 organizations for over 40 years. Specifically, more than 350 at last count. Many of those companies are leaders in their business space who built their organizations on innovation, listening to their employees & clients, adopting an environment of constant business improvement evolution, offering a fair value exchange, providing exceptional service and investing in a quality workforce. Interestingly, not a single one of the those organizations is, or has ever been a public utility. In fact public utilities and municipalities historically are notorious for lack of innovation, being adverse to change and failure to adopt technology to improve their service or client experience. The condition of the outdated water infrastructure in most American towns and cities is evidence of that data point. However, those utilities are exceptionally good at utilizing late fee charges and generating creative service fees as those are the only revenue generation levers they have available to pull. Yes, I have worked with many of those as well.

In summary I agree the current model is flawed, not sustainable and needs to change. Also, I do not feel the USPS should be thought of as an entitlement, rather it is a critical service that should be seriously run as such. It will take serious changes and significantly better oversight to facilitate improvement. The question here really is this: 'Who' has the appetite and expertise to best facilitate that type of dramatic change; the public or private sector?"
I dont think its foolish to keep the USPS as the public utility it always has been, and I dont you are right saying the privatization of utilities is good. You go back to my water point but the funny thing is ive seen what happens. You complain about the "lack of innovation" and them being "good at utilizing late fees" but I seen people have their water bills get tripled to 5x after a privatization. Privatization does not work when it essentially hands a monopoly. --- I listed what would really happen. Chasing the false economy of efficiency, price increases, less oversight, worse staff, and worse pay. Saying its not a public utility is just dumb. It was chartered by our founding fathers in 1775. It IS a public utility. Always has been. -- you really think privatization works? Worked out real good for the Russians didnt it?
 

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Nobody is going to buy the USPS! It's cheaper for Amazon to use postal service.
Since I am employed as a third party contractor, all I can say its a analog system in a digital world.

Most 50% screw ups are by customers bad labeling.
Edit to add postal joke
What does the flag at half staff mean?
There is an position open.😊
 
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Nobody is going to buy the USPS! It's cheaper for Amazon to use postal service.
Since I am employed as a third party contractor, all I can say its a analog system in a digital world.

Most 50% screw ups are by customers bad labeling.
Edit to add postal joke
What does the flag at half staff mean?
There is an position open.😊
Analog in a digital world on top of the ever growth of people buying stuff on the internet and needing it moved. If you are a 3rd party guy delivering for a DSP I do not envy your job at all and I appreciate the work yall do. The drivers are so under valued and get so fucked over, makes me sick. I hope amazon gets their nuts kicked in with the lawsuits screwing over drivers with the DSP racket. Good luck @FIANNAFAL
 

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You don't suppose those water service fees might have increased as a result of the new utility owners repairing decades of infrastructure which had been neglected by those public utilities do you? I provided consulting services to many of those very same utilities so I am acutely aware of how neglected and poorly maintained the water/wastewater infrastructure has been in most American localities by public utilities. Reinvestment to correct a neglected service business requires recapitalization. Problems do not resolve themselves, nor will they get better with time. The cost of resolution does however increase the longer a problem is ignored and neglected. The reality is that it costs money to fix something that is broken and that certainty is also fundamental to the issues now facing the USPS.

As for the Russians lack of success I would counter that public-private partnerships (PPP Privatization) has been utilized by the DOD with generally good success. Included among those initiatives was the privatization of more than 600 DOD utilities (electricity, gas, water & wastewater) which resulted in greater reliability and improved cost avoidance. Interestingly, it also allowed base commanders to focus more fully on their core defense responsibilities. The model has it's own inherent complexities, however it is worthy of consideration. Assuming of course someone might genuinely be interested in resolving the issues at the USPS rather than just kicking the can down the road.

The fundamental question remains: 'Who' has the appetite and expertise to best facilitate the type of dramatic change required to repair the USPS; the public or private sector?"
 

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You don't suppose those water service fees might have increased as a result of the new utility owners repairing decades of infrastructure which had been neglected by those public utilities do you? I provided consulting services to many of those very same utilities so I am acutely aware of how neglected and poorly maintained the water/wastewater infrastructure has been in most American localities by public utilities. Reinvestment to correct a neglected service business requires recapitalization. Problems do not resolve themselves, nor will they get better with time. The cost of resolution does however increase the longer a problem is ignored and neglected. The reality is that it costs money to fix something that is broken and that certainty is also fundamental to the issues now facing the USPS.

As for the Russians lack of success I would counter that public-private partnerships (PPP Privatization) has been utilized by the DOD with generally good success. Included among those initiatives was the privatization of more than 600 DOD utilities (electricity, gas, water & wastewater) which resulted in greater reliability and improved cost avoidance. Interestingly, it also allowed base commanders to focus more fully on their core defense responsibilities. The model has it's own inherent complexities, however it is worthy of consideration. Assuming of course someone might genuinely be interested in resolving the issues at the USPS rather than just kicking the can down the road.

The fundamental question remains: 'Who' has the appetite and expertise to best facilitate the type of dramatic change required to repair the USPS; the public or private sector?"
Im tired of arguing what-if-isms and shifting goalposts here. Most public utilities are not in a state of disrepair with exception of more rural areas. Blame your government to wanting to shrink shit and underfunding the shit on purpose. Its a leader problem, not a public utility problem. - as far as the DOD, I dont care. Good for them. The US public isnt the DOD. The rural town in bfe iowa of 6k people isnt fort bliss.. - fundamental question answer ive said thrice now. Its a public utility and shall remain such. The public id say here has the expertise and resources. Its only been in operation for 250 fucking years.... --- you want to talk about DOD doing good woth privatization, let's talk about success with public works including energy, water, mail, and much more. Look at the French. The French dont have any of the bullshit you are on about and yet are 100% public. -- private sector has no business in public utility affairs.
 
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To ignore the infrastructure issues the public utilities have is nothing short of delusional. Especially when I personally deal with those issues which you are claiming do not exist..new word; obtuse. I have attempted to provide fact based information which you seem determined to ignore and deflect with emotional personal beliefs. Also, the international consulting company that I work for is French owned and based in Paris so I am more than knowledgeable about what does/does not work in their country as well. It is interesting that they are heavily investing outside of their own country and the EU, and with a heavy focus on the US. So please do yourself a favor and don't even go there.
It has become obvious you care little about factual information and prefer instead to attempt to argue your points focused on personal beliefs alone. At the end of the day, despite what the founding fathers may have desired the USPS has become dysfunctional. I have not heard any proposed solutions from you beyond a poorly articulated attempt to advocate for maintaining the USPS as a public utility. Hell even Stevie Wonder can see that is not working and clearly they are incapable of correcting the problem. I doubt it will somehow be magically resolved with a public utility mindset. Don't lose hope,.... but hope is not a strategy.

The shit filter is full here and your .25 is up.
 

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To ignore the infrastructure issues the public utilities have is nothing short of delusional. Especially when I personally deal with those issues which you are claiming do not exist..new word; obtuse. I have attempted to provide fact based information which you seem determined to ignore and deflect with emotional personal beliefs. Also, the international consulting company that I work for is French owned and based in Paris so I am more than knowledgeable about what does/does not work in their country as well. It is interesting that they are heavily investing outside of their own country and the EU, and with a heavy focus on the US. So please do yourself a favor and don't even go there.
It has become obvious you care little about factual information and prefer instead to attempt to argue your points focused on personal beliefs alone. At the end of the day, despite what the founding fathers may have desired the USPS has become dysfunctional. I have not heard any proposed solutions from you beyond a poorly articulated attempt to advocate for maintaining the USPS as a public utility. Hell even Stevie Wonder can see that is not working and clearly they are incapable of correcting the problem. I doubt it will somehow be magically resolved with a public utility mindset. Don't lose hope,.... but hope is not a strategy.

The shit filter is full here and your .25 is up.
Nobody is ignoring the infrastructure issues. I just said its purposefully neglected has ben for some time. Furthermore i call bullshit on the French investing heavily outside of their own. Its why the big GE deal fell apart. Oops I just went there. I also went where their post is 100% public, and allow me to repeat most of their utilities are public... Oops.--- You want me to propose how to fix shit but I find itd be impossible to do with you. I know what you are doing dude. Its in the "they throw money at a issue after it goes wrong, damn them!" Or "its so woefully neglected, itd cost too much to fix, damn them!" Its like holy shit dude damn if they do or don't. No answer will be satisfactory to you with your high and mighty 'i know more' demeanor. -- I just find a deep irony you claim to work for a French owned consulting company but got this massive insight on how utilities work, particularly the example of rural water in buttfuck communities. Talk about a shit filter being full.. -- ill let you get your last words in after this as ive devoted too much effort to this ignorance - my parting comments : USPS needs a top down rebuild as i mentioned, the union they have isnt bad and union attracts good motivated talent and with competent leadership on both sides itd begin fixing itself, letting USPS use scabs and intentionally neglecting it and ots over reliance on already private third parties put it in the shitter. Want to fix it? Spend the money. Stop using scab workers. Get actual nerds who enjoy the work in higher positions/hire internally. - our founding fathers gave us the USPS and the bill of rights, they were geniuses who gave us a pretty decent country. Stop trying to sell it or change shit and just fix what you got.
 

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More USPS stupid crap. A package was in USPS custody on 22Sep and expected to be delivered on the 26th. It sat in Bham, AL from the 25th to the 28th. Then it was sent 35 miles north to another post office where it has been sitting for two days. I live 40 miles south of Bham.

F-cking USPS is next to worthless.
 

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Not a claim scooter, here are my bonafides: The name of the company is Engie and my name is Mark Kittinger I just retired as a director of Client Services there. You can check it out on LinkedIn, or you can continue to ignore the truth. You truly are one obtuse individual and I am done with your bullshit.
 

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I think there is a lot of theft at USPS. I can’t remember all of the engine parts, welding supplies, you name it that never got put in my locked mailbox but their tracking said it did.

The things that DO always get delivered are bills and tax notices. Hmmmm.
 

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Also all the tax dollar paid for political crap that's not delivered has to be hand counted and logged.
Most go immediately in trash.
These two things waste a lot of man hours, slowing down everything else.
Most post office are not owned by the Feds. They are rented buildings.
DECADES OF RENT.
 

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I think there is a lot of theft at USPS. I can’t remember all of the engine parts, welding supplies, you name it that never got put in my locked mailbox but their tracking said it did.

The things that DO always get delivered are bills and tax notices. Hmmmm.
And missing mail in ballots..
 

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While we're complaining, with a sound basis to do so, wife shipped a box yesterday with Pirate Ship / UPS for $11. USPS was $21. That's not even in the ballpark.

What most burned my back end is when I shipped a part in a USPS Priority box. The box got delivered, empty. Clearly, the contents had been stolen (jokes on you MFers, you'll never figure out what it is.) I had insured it, so USPS paid for the contents, but would not cover the Priority Flat Rate shipping for an open, emptied box. Retards.
 

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While we're complaining, with a sound basis to do so, wife shipped a box yesterday with Pirate Ship / UPS for $11. USPS was $21. That's not even in the ballpark.

What most burned my back end is when I shipped a part in a USPS Priority box. The box got delivered, empty. Clearly, the contents had been stolen (jokes on you MFers, you'll never figure out what it is.) I had insured it, so USPS paid for the contents, but would not cover the Priority Flat Rate shipping for an open, emptied box. Retards.
I use stamps.com. Pirate Ship recently had some issues with labels....be careful.
 

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They are thieves, plain and simple....stole an L1A1 i was shipping to a buyer....internal theft according to postmaster Gen. Never left the sorting facility in Washington state.....f'ing thieves.
 

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After hundreds of dollars of product didn’t arrive, the insurance was useless. They said it was put in my locked box. They had the gps to show it. I went to the substation to complain and asked for a supervisor. She wouldn’t come out and talk to me. I stayed there for over an hour, and the ladies behind the counter were getting mad at me and told me over and over I just needed to leave. So I finally left. I don’t remember if it was the following week or the one after, but my street had a new mail deliverer and nothing else was lost. They didn’t talk to me but it appeared that something was done. So always complain.
 

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After hundreds of dollars of product didn’t arrive, the insurance was useless. They said it was put in my locked box. They had the gps to show it. I went to the substation to complain and asked for a supervisor. She wouldn’t come out and talk to me. I stayed there for over an hour, and the ladies behind the counter were getting mad at me and told me over and over I just needed to leave. So I finally left. I don’t remember if it was the following week or the one after, but my street had a new mail deliverer and nothing else was lost. They didn’t talk to me but it appeared that something was done. So always complain.
Wow! The supervisor not coming out to at least hear me and give the customary "we will look into it" would have wound me like a 3 dollar watch. I normally don't get to excited about stuff and I forgive fairly easy because I always consider there maybe a family counting on this clowns paycheck. The supervisor would have caused me to go up the ladder with written complaints until I got some satisfaction.
 

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I took this screenshot this morning, 10/4/26. It is a rifle I bought off GB. First it took 4 days to travel about 32 miles to the distribution center in WI (9/15 to 9/19), and now they are saying it is in a container on its way to Alaska, and they dont scan every package in the container, but they assure me it's on its way. Going on 3 weeks now in transit.
The seller is a gunshop in WI with a very high rating on GB, and they have been very helpful so far. But going on 3 weeks on $3200 spent and nothing to show for it.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
 

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Same shit here…priority mailed USPS MO to seller/member and showed delivered to addy. Seller said he never got it and it still remains purchased but not cashed. Waiting on my refund that they acknowledged and charged me $23 for the refund…😐🤨😡🫤
Did the same with me. Lost in the mail and charged me a fee to get my money back. I then paid the seller by other means and I received the item. The seller contacted me about six months later when he received the original postal money order in the mail and didn’t know what it was for.
 
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