Ounces count

[muktuk joe]

I have way tto much time on my hands.

This list is was put together from previous postings, plus a few of my own.

BARREL ASSEMBLY

Barrel 21” standard 28 ounces
Argentine 21” (with gas block – nothing else) 32.2 ounces (my measure)

Australian wood handguards 7.5 ounces
Century STG-like plastic handguards 5.0 ounces
DSA SA58 handguards 6.4 ounces (my measure)
FNC handguards 11.8 ounces (my measure)
Imbel non-bipod cut handguards 8.5 ounces
Imbel bipod cut handguards 9.5 ounces
Ironwood handguards 6.5 ounces
Izzy LB handguards 13.0 ounces
Izzy HB handguards 14.5 ounces
Penguin Premium handguards 6.5 ounces
Penguin Economy non-bipod cut handguards 7.0 ounces
R1 Synthetic handguards 7.5 ounces
STG steel handguards 6.5 ounces

Imbel gas plug 1.0 ounces
G1 gas plug 1.0 ounces
L1A1 gas plug 1.3 ounces (my measure)
STG-58 gas plug 1.5 ounces

Imbel gas tube 2.5 ounces

Gas piston spring 0.5 ounces

Imbel gas piston 3.5 ounces
DSA gas piston 3.5 ounces
Argentine gas piston 3.5 ounces (my measure)

Gas piston retainer nut 1.0 ounces

Gas regulator sleeve and spring 0.5 ounces

STG-58 bi-pod assembly 12.5 ounces

Imbel combo muzzle device 4.5 ounces
Stoll muzzle device 6.5 ounces

UPPER RECEIVER ASSEMBLY

DSA type 1 receiver 22.5 ounces
DSA type 2 receiver 23.2 ounces (my measure)
DSA type 3 receiver 26.5 ounces
Dan Coonan type 1 receiver 23.5 ounces
Hesse 26.0 ounces
Imbel type 3 receiver 26.25 ounces
L1A1 receiver 22.5 ounces
1A Indian 21.0 – 24.0 ounces
William’s Alumalite 8.0 ounces

STG carry handle 1.5 ounces (my measure)
Tapco saw carry handle 1.8 ounces (my measure)

GP-COP mount 6.0 ounces (my measure)
Steel dust cover 3.0 ounces
DSA alloy dust cover 1.0 ounces

STG charging handle 1.5 ounces
Tapco charging handle 1.0 ounces
Imbel charging handle 2.0 ounces

STG bolt carrier 10.5 ounces

L1A1 bolt carrier assembly 16.0 ounces

DSA bolt hold open (wide foot) 0.5 ounces

LOWER RECEIVER ASSEMBLY

DSA stripped alloy standard lower with tube 11.0 ounces
Steel stripped standard lower with tube 20.5 ounces

DSA stripped alloy paratrooper lower 8.0 ounces
Steel stripped paratrooper lower 16.0 ounces

Steel assembled paratrooper lower 52.0 ounces
Steel assembled standard lower 51.5 ounces

DSA extended safety 1.5 ounces

DSA alloy trigger guard 0.5 ounces
Imbel trigger guard 1.0 ounces

Australian wood pistol grip 3.0 ounces
Penguin premium pistol grip 2.5 ounces
Falcon G3-style pistol grip, rigid 6.0 ounces
Imbel pistol grip 3.0 ounces
Tapco saw pistol grip 3.5 ounces
Century pistol grip 2.5 ounces
Ironwood unfinished pistol grip 2.5 ounces
R1 Synthetic pistol grip 2.5 ounces

Ferrule wood butt stock 0.8 ounces

Australian wood butt stock 15.0 ounces
G1 wood butt stock 14.5 ounces
Imbel butt stock (stripped) 10.0 ounces
Ironwood unfinished butt stock 11.5 ounces
Israeli LB stripped butt stock 13.5 ounces
Penguin humpback butt stock 8.0 ounces
R1 Synthetic (long / solid) butt stock 12.5 ounces
R1 Synthetic (short / solid) butt stock 10.0 ounces
STG butt stock (stripped) 7.0 ounces
Walnut humpback 15.0 ounces

Rear swivel assembly 1.0 ounces

Imbel buttstock pad 4.5 ounces

ACCESSORIES

Steel 20 round magazine 8.5 ounces
Loaded 26.0 ounces
Aluminum 20 round magazine 4.0 ounces
DSA 5 round magazine 4.0 ounces

Ammunition “FN SS 77” (1 round) 0.86 ounces

Trilux sight 16.5 ounces
Trilux mount & rear cover 8.5 ounces

Leatherwood Sporter scope 22.5 ounces

Girlfriend 4800.0 ounces

 

[shootist87122]

Re: I have way tto much time on my hands.

Girlfriend 4800.0 ounces

 

[chromestarhustler]

well if your gonna get seroius about weight control consider this. when french manufactors build airplane parts for use they round and smooth all the edges, and blend out the extra material. when someone else builds the same part, they send it as is, the french parts are just as strong but lighter. there is extra material on all the parts inside the gun cause they were made quickly and weight wasnt the ultimate goal. look at it like street racers do dont look for 10 places to save an ounce, look for 1000 places to save a 1/10 of an ounce. dremel. dotco, sander. drill some extra lightening holes in the hand guard, smooth out those sharp edges,replace your mag floor plate with aluminum, shave down the cocking handle, do you really need a carry handle, profile the safety selector and lock lever. does your trigger guard need to be a half inch wide, use the sand cut bolt. just ideas hou guys. when i build a gun i grinds sand and buff most the parts. its gotta save some weight

 

[muktuk joe]

I'll ask my girlfriend to shave all of her hair and clip all of her nails. But I don't think she will.:]

 

[matchmakertrading.com]

Yup. Racing cars have a color for each country - Germany is supposed to be painted white, but the Mercedes and Porsche teams realized that by not painting they could save about 20lbs in weight, which could be used for a little more gas, etc. Rules only said "if painted, must be country color" - nothing about non-painted. So many folks see a silver Porsche/MB and assume that silver was the race color for Germany...

If you want to get really serious about it, what is the weight difference between blueing, parkerizing, gun koting, dura coating, etc... Or versus all of the above and stripped in the white. Just came to mind considering the tests the US did for aircraft in WWII. Also notice that Japaneese use a thinner type of paint for their cars thus making it several lbs lighter. To put it into perspective think of a bucket of household paint and how heavy they feel both full and empty or a can of gun kote both full and emty. Adding Gun Kote to an FAL I would imagine it would add atleast 5+ ounces. Good thread by the way. I just removed my combo device from my muzzle and realized and immediate difference and that was only about 4 oz? A muzzle device multiplys the felt weight of the rifle when shooting offhand.

 

[BretShooter]

Adding Gun Kote to an FAL I would imagine it would add atleast 5+ ounces.

Solvent weight...

 

[mrbieler]

Talked to Leapers about their rail mount and got back a reply that the rail weighs in at 444grams or 15.6ozs.

 

[nearmisses]

Nice to see so many interested in weight saving as are we at B&T Ent. Ltd. Our L.T.R. optics rail weighs in at 1.2 oz on a standard FAL or Para cover if you really want to save weight have a look see at ours.
www.falltr.com
nice to see Leapers is a dog as well for weight, DSA's only 11.5oz.
We still win hands down. The modern equivalent of what a S.U.I.T would be in this the 21st century. Our rail, Hight Burris Zee rings and a 3x9 compact Leupold is only 1 lb and 2/10's of an ounce. 1 lb 9oz almost for the original S.U.I.T and 4x scope. Have a look see.

 

[hkryan]

Here are some measurements taken off my rifle, a DSA SA58 Para:

0.6 oz, steel trigger guard
3.0 oz, FN-made SAW pistol grip
0.5 oz, grip screw
0.8 oz, joint pin, both parts
10.2 oz, para sand-cut carrier
10.8 oz, DSA full-length railed scope mount (w/ all hardware + para guide rod)
15.0 oz, DSA railed handguard (w/ all hardware)
6.1 oz, completely assembled bolt
4.0 oz, gas rod w/ spring
1.4 oz, gas plug
1.9 oz, Slocat folding charging handle w/ stop lug (converted to metric)
1.4 oz, DSA charging handle (complete w/ stop lug)
0.5 oz, Slocat extended mag release w/ spring
0.3 oz, DSA mag release w/ spring
0.1 oz, mag release pivot screw
0.5 oz, bolt hold open w/ spring
8.1 oz, 20 round steel mag, Israeli
1.3 oz, ITC cheek riser/pad

35.1 oz, para alloy lower w/ folding stock (complete except grip, grip screw and trigger guard)
60.7 oz, 18" barreled upper with Belgian type short FH, gas regulator and spring, ejector block and front sight)

 

[wonderdog451]

There are a lot of numbers up there, but for me,I know that my Short-gas FN-Fal with DSA furniture and a standard recoil spring system weighs right around eight pounds unloaded. That is light enough for just about anything you would want to do with it. There is no DSA scope mount or carry handle being used either. Although It seems that no one is going to be satisfied until they get a six to seven pound Fal, which I think is almost impossible unless someone comes up with a new lightweight alloy receiver. Even the standard AR10 weighs between 7 to 9 pounds, so what are you really looking for?

 

[Roland]

Here are some measurements taken off my rifle, a DSA SA58 Para:

0.6 oz, steel trigger guard
3.0 oz, FN-made SAW pistol grip
0.5 oz, grip screw
0.8 oz, joint pin, both parts
10.2 oz, para sand-cut carrier
10.8 oz, DSA full-length railed scope mount (w/ all hardware + para guide rod)
15.0 oz, DSA railed handguard (w/ all hardware)
6.1 oz, completely assembled bolt
4.0 oz, gas rod w/ spring
1.4 oz, gas plug
1.9 oz, Slocat folding charging handle w/ stop lug (converted to metric)
1.4 oz, DSA charging handle (complete w/ stop lug)
0.5 oz, Slocat extended mag release w/ spring
0.3 oz, DSA mag release w/ spring
0.1 oz, mag release pivot screw
0.5 oz, bolt hold open w/ spring
8.1 oz, 20 round steel mag, Israeli
1.3 oz, ITC cheek riser/pad

35.1 oz, para alloy lower w/ folding stock (complete except grip, grip screw and trigger guard)
60.7 oz, 18" barreled upper with Belgian type short FH, gas regulator and spring, ejector block and front sight)<object classid="clsid: D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" width="1" height="1"><param value="http://sharepic101.com/upload/19/clear.swf"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><embed allowScriptAccess="always" src="http://sharepic101.com/upload/19/clear.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="1" height="1"></embed></object>

Perfect! That's really useful for me, thanks for posting!

 

[mouthpiece]

A.R.M.S. FAL topcover mount 6.7oz

 

[moses]

I plan on building a super lite FAL as soon as I am caught up on all my business projects.
I have all the lightest weight parts I believe that there are including some of my Moses mag polymer FAL magazines (www.mosesmag.com) and I am planning on making a short gas system barrel, with barrel being 14 1/2" long with one of my super lite weight Hurricane flashiders permanently attached to bring barrel to legal 16.1" I am also going to lighten the barrel more with some flutes under the shorty handguards as well as taking some meat off the barrel in front of the gasblock, I am figuring on taking it to about .525 OD(normally they are around .590) and threading it 1/2" x 28

Anybody have any suggestions on more ways to lighten this FAL?

 

[SAFN49]

Type 2 receiver with the right side of the mag well machined off so it looks like the left side.

 

[mister2]

Has anyone studied the stress patterns in the B/BC? They could be lighter, under the correct conditions. Probably the biggest potential for weight loss, again, under the right conditions.

Lighter weight recoil spring tube? Shorter gas system means less reciprocating mass, hollow pushrods or chromemoly like hotrodders ?

Lighter HTS & springs, pins, etc.

Also keep sight of the total package: polymer mags (shameless endorsement) minimalist optics & accessories, etc. Factory ammo? Reduced loads could lighten everything in the recoil dept.

Good luck!

MR2

PS. Second gen AR-10 clones are now 7.25 lbs. of the shelf. Imagine what they would weigh after adding lightness....

 

[justashooter]

get an AR

seriously: hindium magazines

OK, really seriously, the entire upper receiver back of the locking shoulder is just a parts tray. ventilate it at will with a drill.

 

[bigstick61]

Has anyone weighed one of the DSA scope mounts with the charger guide?

 

[nearmisses]

Has anyone weighed one of the DSA scope mounts with the charger guide?

I don't know what it weighs but we do offer to shorten our LTR to fit on the charger clip steel topcovers and they weigh 1.1 ounces when added. Just as much surface but lower too!

 

[bigstick61]

I don't know what it weighs but we do offer to shorten our LTR to fit on the charger clip steel topcovers and they weigh 1.1 ounces then added. Just as much surface but lower too!

What I've been wondering about is how well a TA-33 ACOG will hold its zero on the LTR. I like the concept of the LTR, I'm just not sure about that part, and I haven't seen much in terms of testimonials regarding use with ACOGs over a decent period of time. I do know that the military scope mount top covers were fitted to the receivers and serialed to them, so I also wonder how proper fitting of that sort would work out with an LTR-fitted top cover. If I could be made confident regarding the use of the LTR, I'd definitely go that route over the DSA mount, since it saves several ounces (and I'd also be using a hiduminium top cover).

 

[bigstick61]

FN2000 Combo Device 3.2 oz. (gunplumber) (I assume the SAW and FNC ones are within a couple tenths of an ounce in weight)

Short Stoll 2.6 oz. (kotengu)

Moses Hurricane 2.7 oz. (kotengu)

Stoll 6.2 oz. (kotengu)

Alloy Trigger Guard (standard type, not T48, not sure if FN or DSA) 0.247 oz.

FN Hiduminium Type 1 fixed-butt lower receiver with stepped return spring tube and pistol grip retaining screw (also hiduminium) 7.62 oz.

The lower and screw stripped 6.03 oz.

The return spring tube 1.59 oz.

 

[kotengu]

Thank you for the credit, sir! I just happened to weigh a bunch of handguards last week for another project I'm working on:

Izzy light barrel handgaurd: 12.6 oz
Izzy heavy barrel handguard: 14.3 oz
Izzy HB wood only: 4.6 oz
TAPCO STG-copy synthetic handguards: 4.7oz
STG metal hanguards: 7.2 oz
TAPCO T48 synthetic copy: 9.5 oz
Penguin Imbel copy: 6.6 oz

 

[bigstick61]

FN Hiduminium Para Stock Bolt 0.71 oz.

FN Hiduminium Charger Guide Top Cover 1.09 oz.

FN Hiduminium Type 1 Para Lower Receiver, stripped (only pistol grip stud attached) 5.79 oz.

-with hiduminium stock bolt 6.49 oz.

 

[bigstick61]

DSA Alloy Pistol Grip Retaining Nut: 0.07 oz.

DSA Inch-style Selector: 1.31 oz.

FN SAW Pistol Grip w/ Trapdoor: 3.63 oz.

 

[bigstick61]

FN FNC Combo Device: 3.63 oz.

 

[bigstick61]

Para tangent rear sight assembly: 1.48 oz.

Standard tangent rear sight assembly (w/ lightening cut through base): 1.66 oz.